Former Health and Human Services secretary Kathleen Sebelius, “disputing the description of MIT professor Jonathan Gruber as an architect of the Affordable Care Act, says she had never met with him and minimized the significance of his controversial comments describing passage of the law,” USA Today reports.

In fact, she says she never met with him.

Said Sebelius: “Maybe he was in a large room; he could have been on a phone call. But in terms of small meetings, discussing policy, that never happened.”